Mihal Woronko
2 min readAug 2, 2020

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Thank you! I had posited this idea to Amit — consciousness as an energy. Didn’t include his response because he became rather defensive; as much as I wanted to incorporateit, I unfortunately decided not to but here it is:

2. On Consciousness as an energy

I want to propose an idea to you that you’re likely already familiar with in some form or another — that consciousness (and we may choose to look specifically to creative consciousness as a prime example) can be understood as a form of energy, not unlike the thermodynamic or electromagnetic convection cycles that exist all around us, but maybe a bit more subjective in nature.

Do you agree that consciousness assumes such a function or role and, if so, how would you reconcile the subjective with the objective function of consciousness, if these can even be reconciled? In other words, how would you describe consciousness to be an elemental and integral force within the nature of our subjective and/or objective experience?

Amit’s response:

Consciousness is not energy, it is not an object. Instead subject and object both arise spontaneously when quantum measurement takes place. Even since Descartes, Western thinkers have become calcified about thinking of consciousness as object. Get over it. Read any of my books again and again if necessary. Or read the Upanishads. You and many other post-materialists need to make a quantum leap. Or go through Buddhist text that talks about the concept of dependent coarising. Those guys in the olden days had to struggle through these same concepts. I did too before my own breakthrough.

So I ask you John, how would you respond to his response?

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